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Re: Power line through farm
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by toddthebod »
lostinjersey wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 1:30 pm
I don’t perceive how this cuts the property in half. Now we have a large energy line working by way of our wheat discipline. We farm across the footprint/base of the giants. Nothing is split for the reason that energy traces themselves are so excessive within the sky.What am I lacking?
Which is why I included that image above.
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Re: Power line through farm
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by lostinjersey »
toddthebod wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 1:36 pmlostinjersey wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 1:30 pm
I don’t perceive how this cuts the property in half. Now we have a large energy line working by way of our wheat discipline. We farm across the footprint/base of the giants. Nothing is split for the reason that energy traces themselves are so excessive within the sky.What am I lacking?
Which is why I included that image above.
I noticed the pic however nonetheless don’t observe. Will the easement not permit use of the land by the proprietor? Our line seems precisely just like the pic, and the one actual influence is farming across the large bases. The remainder of the land remains to be farmed like there isn’t any easement or energy line above it.
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Re: Power line through farm
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by toddthebod »
lostinjersey wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 1:49 pmtoddthebod wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 1:36 pmlostinjersey wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 1:30 pm
I don’t perceive how this cuts the property in half. Now we have a large energy line working by way of our wheat discipline. We farm across the footprint/base of the giants. Nothing is split for the reason that energy traces themselves are so excessive within the sky.What am I lacking?
Which is why I included that image above.
I noticed the pic however nonetheless don’t observe. Will the easement not permit use of the land by the proprietor? Our line seems precisely just like the pic, and the one actual influence is farming across the large bases. The remainder of the land remains to be farmed like there isn’t any easement or energy line above it.
I am agreeing with you. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
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Re: Power line through farm
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by lostinjersey »
toddthebod wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 2:07 pmlostinjersey wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 1:49 pmtoddthebod wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 1:36 pmlostinjersey wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 1:30 pm
I don’t perceive how this cuts the property in half. Now we have a large energy line working by way of our wheat discipline. We farm across the footprint/base of the giants. Nothing is split for the reason that energy traces themselves are so excessive within the sky.What am I lacking?
Which is why I included that image above.
I noticed the pic however nonetheless don’t observe. Will the easement not permit use of the land by the proprietor? Our line seems precisely just like the pic, and the one actual influence is farming across the large bases. The remainder of the land remains to be farmed like there isn’t any easement or energy line above it.
I am agreeing with you. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
Ahh gotcha! I assumed you have been explaining the division, not agreeing that there isn’t one.
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Re: Power line through farm
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by MotorCityMoneyMan »
Mr. Potter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 10:14 am
I’m not attempting to be deceptive and doubtless characterised this thread incorrectly. sorry
The mission is the Zachary to Locust Creek Transmission. They’ve notified landowners there will probably be an easement on their property to accommodate a 345k to 506k transmission line for a newly constructed photo voltaic farm roughly 5 miles away. The facility is meant to service a city roughly 35 miles away and the road is proposed to run by way of her property. In a current assembly they knowledgeable my MIL they’re possible putting in a 2nd line, each on the South facet of her property. If that’s not unhealthy sufficient there’s a powerful risk of a third line on the North of her property. Clearly this can devastate the character and worth of the property. My MIL has not acquired a proposal but for her easement however primarily based on different landowners it’s peanuts and a onetime fee. The property will not be a sq. plot extra L formed so the proposed route will probably be slicing off a big part,(40 acres) which will probably be landlocked until new entry roads are constructed. The overall acreage is 120. This at one time was a working farm now it’s principally wooded with pastures with overgrown grass.
A 506kV transmission line does not make any sense. It seems like they’re speaking a couple of double circuit line. Certainly one of them being 345 and the opposite a 161. For some cause they added 345 and 161 and got here up 506, smh. Utilities did not prefer to construct some time bunch of single circuit towers. They’re dearer, time consuming, and require extra land rights.
One thing to notice, upon getting a circuit going by way of your property there’s a greater chance that one other circuit will probably be positioned there if a line has to run the same route. It is because it’s simpler to develop a proper of method then to get a model new route.
One thing else to contemplate, relying on line design requirements, and planning contingency evaluation, you could possibly push the utility to triple circuit building (three circuits on the identical tower). This may reduce down on the footprint.
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Will any towers be situated on the property or is it simply overhead wires? A tower would trigger far more lack of worth than simply overhead traces.
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by Valuethinker »
Parkinglotracer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 8:11 amRather more costly to bury … nicely a minimum of initially and that’s all many price range for.
10x dearer is the quantity that will get thrown round (I do not know if there’s any justification for it, however 5x at a minimal would appear cheap). Notice gasoline mains and electrical energy transmission corridors are generally on the identical stretch of floor, I consider – ie with the gasoline line underground.
Additionally there are overheating and capability points (actually, the identical factor) in an underground line.
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It could actually actually be metered and even have an higher restrict on offtake per day or lifetime. I see no cause they would not do it. Simply prices have a transformer drop.
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by Valuethinker »
snackdog wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:31 amIt could actually actually be metered and even have an higher restrict on offtake per day or lifetime. I see no cause they would not do it. Simply prices have a transformer drop.
The price of a transformer from a 400 kv line to a say 240v home service? I think about that might be actually costly. There is a cause these connections are usually pretty massive blocks of transformers, in fenced off enclosures?
Re: Power line through farm
Valuethinker wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 9:02 amsnackdog wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:31 amIt could actually actually be metered and even have an higher restrict on offtake per day or lifetime. I see no cause they would not do it. Simply prices have a transformer drop.
The price of a transformer from a 400 kv line to a say 240v home service? I think about that might be actually costly. There is a cause these connections are usually pretty massive blocks of transformers, in fenced off enclosures?
A big energy transformer such as you’re describing would possible price greater than this complete property.
The best way this may truly be performed is with a station service voltage transformer related to a single section. Which is extra akin to an instrumentation gadget, however nonetheless satisfactory for a single rural property. Nevertheless, that is nonetheless most likely ~$50k for materials alone. It isn’t an ideal design for a property which could be served from an current distribution system.
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Mr. Potter wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 7:40 am
The one ace within the gap is there’s an adjoining cemetery on the other facet of the proposed transmission traces that and there are Indian artifacts all over the place. We discover arrowheads routinely when strolling the property, perhaps there’s Indian burial grounds?
You probably have a official cultural web site in your property it might trigger the powerlines to be rerouted. I would depart any artifacts the place you discovered them. Somebody must rent an archeologist to make the willpower.
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In our space the federal government wished so as to add a brand new on/off ramp system to the freeway, which was going to take some land from a cemetery. The cemetery constructed a big costly mausoleum close to the freeway, making the land too costly. The ramps weren’t constructed.
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by Valuethinker »
MrNarwhal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 5:34 pmValuethinker wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 9:02 amsnackdog wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:31 amIt could actually actually be metered and even have an higher restrict on offtake per day or lifetime. I see no cause they would not do it. Simply prices have a transformer drop.
The price of a transformer from a 400 kv line to a say 240v home service? I think about that might be actually costly. There is a cause these connections are usually pretty massive blocks of transformers, in fenced off enclosures?
A big energy transformer such as you’re describing would possible price greater than this complete property.
The best way this may truly be performed is with a station service voltage transformer related to a single section. Which is extra akin to an instrumentation gadget, however nonetheless satisfactory for a single rural property. Nevertheless, that is nonetheless most likely ~$50k for materials alone. It isn’t an ideal design for a property which could be served from an current distribution system.
thanks – very attention-grabbing.
We get so used to know-how performing miracles, that we get pissed off when it constrains us in very “extraordinary” methods.
HV electrical energy transmission is an attention-grabbing space, and I perceive that there is numerous attention-grabbing work happening, eg in digitisation. However essentially it most likely hasn’t modified that a lot in 50 years? And the parameters of the electrical energy system have been fastened for a very long time*.
* I believe I learn that Los Angeles was on 25 Hz energy till the late Forties? And there have been nonetheless some NYC condo buildings on, I believe, 18 Hz? So even attending to the present electrical energy system was not a clean “unexpectedly”.
I do know thermal energy stations stored scaling up in dimension, reaching a peak with an Allis-Chalmers turbine “Large Al(lis)” that Conn Ed put in within the Sixties. However that they haven’t elevated in per unit dimension since then. My father used to speak about Large Al.
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Re: Power line through farm
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by MotorCityMoneyMan »
snackdog wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:31 amIt could actually actually be metered and even have an higher restrict on offtake per day or lifetime. I see no cause they would not do it. Simply prices have a transformer drop.
There’s a massive distinction between what’s technically possible and what’s primarily based in actuality. This is not primarily based in actuality. Giant buyer particular charge pricing is a big hurdle for utilities to work out. Establishing free electrical energy to a single use buyer in a perpetual contract is simply humorous.
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Valuethinker wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 12:11 pm
HV electrical energy transmission is an attention-grabbing space, and I perceive that there is numerous attention-grabbing work happening, eg in digitisation. However essentially it most likely hasn’t modified that a lot in 50 years? And the parameters of the electrical energy system have been fastened for a very long time*.
Analytical strategies for design have modified as have some supplies. There are much more metal monopole constructions being put in now, as an illustration. However there are nonetheless loads of 50+ 12 months outdated services in service.
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snackdog wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:31 amIt could actually actually be metered and even have an higher restrict on offtake per day or lifetime. I see no cause they would not do it. Simply prices have a transformer drop.
You don’t drop lengthy distance transmission voltage right down to family voltage. Technically possible sure, price efficient no. Could be extra possible for the utility to conform to pay all or a portion of the usually delivered electrical energy. However that is nonetheless unlikely. I simply don’t see a lot incentive for utility to agree.
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Re: Power line through farm
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by Valuethinker »
MrNarwhal wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 10:30 amValuethinker wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 12:11 pm
HV electrical energy transmission is an attention-grabbing space, and I perceive that there is numerous attention-grabbing work happening, eg in digitisation. However essentially it most likely hasn’t modified that a lot in 50 years? And the parameters of the electrical energy system have been fastened for a very long time*.Analytical strategies for design have modified as have some supplies. There are much more metal monopole constructions being put in now, as an illustration. However there are nonetheless loads of 50+ 12 months outdated services in service.
Once more. Thanks for a really attention-grabbing and informative remark.
The issue of getting old electrical energy infrastructure – and notably in transmission – is a standard one. UK, Canada, USA – the massive infrastructure was put in within the Sixties & simply into the Seventies. Energy demand grew reliably yearly – I consider it quadrupled between 1945 and 1970. It was far more troublesome for native opposition to cease transmission traces.
When the utilities hit the Seventies the great occasions stopped rolling and restore and renewal has not essentially occurred.