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Re: ARK investment
MinnGuyInvesting wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:36 pmTomatoTomahto wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:31 pmMinnGuyInvesting wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:22 pm
Tough few weeks.
I am a long run maintain on ARK although but, however not “shopping for extra” proper now.
We’re having a tough interval of three weeks.On Jan 10, you mentioned “ I believe if I am affected person over the long run, I am going to make some cash by sticking with the ARK funds over the subsequent 5-10 years.”
I take it you now not imagine that, in any other case you’d be shopping for ARK on sale.
Wait and see.
3 weeks and also you’re already having iffy ideas, not shopping for the dip? You’ll promote at 6 weeks of underperformance.
I suppose long run might be interpreted as a month.
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by MinnGuyInvesting »
dru808 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:31 pmMinnGuyInvesting wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:36 pmTomatoTomahto wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:31 pmMinnGuyInvesting wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:22 pm
Tough few weeks.
I am a long run maintain on ARK although but, however not “shopping for extra” proper now.
We’re having a tough interval of three weeks.On Jan 10, you mentioned “ I believe if I am affected person over the long run, I am going to make some cash by sticking with the ARK funds over the subsequent 5-10 years.”
I take it you now not imagine that, in any other case you’d be shopping for ARK on sale.
Wait and see.
3 weeks and also you’re already having iffy ideas, not shopping for the dip? You’ll promote at 6 weeks of underperformance.
I suppose long run might be interpreted as a month.
Nonetheless holding.
Not shopping for proper now although. Perhaps within the subsequent 4-8 weeks.
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Re: ARK investment
MinnGuyInvesting wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:44 pmdru808 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:31 pmMinnGuyInvesting wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:36 pmTomatoTomahto wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:31 pmMinnGuyInvesting wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:22 pm
Tough few weeks.
I am a long run maintain on ARK although but, however not “shopping for extra” proper now.
We’re having a tough interval of three weeks.On Jan 10, you mentioned “ I believe if I am affected person over the long run, I am going to make some cash by sticking with the ARK funds over the subsequent 5-10 years.”
I take it you now not imagine that, in any other case you’d be shopping for ARK on sale.
Wait and see.
3 weeks and also you’re already having iffy ideas, not shopping for the dip? You’ll promote at 6 weeks of underperformance.
I suppose long run might be interpreted as a month.
Nonetheless holding.
Not shopping for proper now although. Perhaps within the subsequent 4-8 weeks.
what occurs in 4-8 weeks?
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by wrongfunds »
If it drops even additional, then the rationalization could be “Glad did NOT catch the falling knife!”
If it recovers, “See, I used to be proper to carry on to it” “However aren’t you sad that you simply didn’t purchase extra when it was down?” “Um; Look there; a chicken chirping!”
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by MinnGuyInvesting »
watchnerd wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:53 pmMinnGuyInvesting wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:44 pmNonetheless holding.
Not shopping for proper now although. Perhaps within the subsequent 4-8 weeks.what occurs in 4-8 weeks?
Time passes.
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Re: ARK investment
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by MinnGuyInvesting »
EnjoyIt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:36 pmMinnGuyInvesting wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:06 pmwatchnerd wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:53 pmMinnGuyInvesting wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:44 pmNonetheless holding.
Not shopping for proper now although. Perhaps within the subsequent 4-8 weeks.what occurs in 4-8 weeks?
Time passes.
Timing the market efficiently is tough.
Yeh, I do not suppose any buy of a inventory or ETF is ever timed completely.
All I imply by that is I am rising my financial savings fee this yr, and might want to make investments extra in a number of weeks. Have to wrap up taxes, and so on. We’ll know extra on what is going on on with the market, and so on. I am going to have some investable cash once more to take a position once more. My 401k monies are going to a S&P500 index fund, however further funds could be open for allocation wherever my intestine is telling me at that time.
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Re: ARK investment
wrongfunds wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:10 pmIf it drops even additional, then the rationalization could be “Glad did NOT catch the falling knife!”
If it recovers, “See, I used to be proper to carry on to it” “However aren’t you sad that you simply didn’t purchase extra when it was down?” “Um; Look there; a chicken chirping!”
Very adroitly put, wrongfunds!
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by anon_investor »
MinnGuyInvesting wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:23 pmEnjoyIt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:36 pmMinnGuyInvesting wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:06 pmwatchnerd wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:53 pmMinnGuyInvesting wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:44 pmNonetheless holding.
Not shopping for proper now although. Perhaps within the subsequent 4-8 weeks.what occurs in 4-8 weeks?
Time passes.
Timing the market efficiently is tough.
Yeh, I do not suppose any buy of a inventory or ETF is ever timed completely.
All I imply by that is I am rising my financial savings fee this yr, and might want to make investments extra in a number of weeks. Have to wrap up taxes, and so on. We’ll know extra on what is going on on with the market, and so on. I am going to have some investable cash once more to take a position once more. My 401k monies are going to a S&P500 index fund, however further funds could be open for allocation wherever my intestine is telling me at that time.
Are you not shopping for now as a result of you don’t have any further fund or as a result of you are attempting to time the market?
Re: ARK investment
MinnGuyInvesting wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:23 pmEnjoyIt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:36 pmMinnGuyInvesting wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:06 pmwatchnerd wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:53 pmMinnGuyInvesting wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:44 pmNonetheless holding.
Not shopping for proper now although. Perhaps within the subsequent 4-8 weeks.what occurs in 4-8 weeks?
Time passes.
Timing the market efficiently is tough.
Yeh, I do not suppose any buy of a inventory or ETF is ever timed completely.
All I imply by that is I am rising my financial savings fee this yr, and might want to make investments extra in a number of weeks. Have to wrap up taxes, and so on. We’ll know extra on what is going on on with the market, and so on. I am going to have some investable cash once more to take a position once more. My 401k monies are going to a S&P500 index fund, however further funds could be open for allocation wherever my intestine is telling me at that time.
Yeah, I used to do the identical factor a very long time in the past. All my cash in my 401k was in index funds that have been supplied by my employer and particular person shares in my taxable account. Then I spotted that market timing is tough and that I wasn’t doing in addition to my 401k. Plus I used to be losing a lot time doing analysis. Ultimately I went full bogleheads and my portfolio and free time thank me for it. I have a look at your portfolio in your signature and see my previous. I sincerely want you luck along with your path.
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EnjoyIt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:52 pm
Yeah, I used to do the identical factor a very long time in the past. All my cash in my 401k was in index funds that have been supplied by my employer and particular person shares in my taxable account. Then I spotted that market timing is tough and that I wasn’t doing in addition to my 401k. Plus I used to be losing a lot time doing analysis. Ultimately I went full bogleheads and my portfolio and free time thank me for it. I have a look at your portfolio in your signature and see my previous. I sincerely want you luck along with your path.
Identical right here. I solely want I’d seen the sunshine sooner. I’d have retired by now. Doing it the non-Boglehead method for thus lengthy added years to my working profession in a job that I don’t like. I really don’t need to see others make that very same mistake.
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by happyisland »
birdog wrote: ↑Solar Mar 07, 2021 4:51 am
Identical right here. I solely want I’d seen the sunshine sooner. I’d have retired by now. Doing it the non-Boglehead method for thus lengthy added years to my working profession in a job that I don’t like. I really don’t need to see others make that very same mistake.
Completely. Because of this I often publish in these non-Boglehead threads. Having squandered a non-insubstantial a part of my private fortune on market timing, inventory selecting, and unique investments I hope to have the ability to save others from having to study these classes the laborious method. Sadly it appears there is a little bit of the “curse of Cassandra” for these of us who’ve been across the block a number of instances…
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birdog wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:36 amJonnyDVM wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:44 amanon_investor wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:36 amJonnyDVM wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:29 amxraygoggles wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:54 pm100%.
I rode the Ark wave final yr, however as quickly as I began seeing ARK discussion board posts right here and elsewhere, I began unloading. Offered the previous couple of final week. Again to VTI
Properly you guys all have extra frequent sense than me. I’m the dummy that sat along with his thumb hovering over the “promote” button however managed to persuade myself to carry just a bit longer to keep away from the brief time period cap good points. Oopsie.
One thing about taxes wagging canines tails…
Severely. I want I had learn that nugget of knowledge in some unspecified time in the future during the last a number of years.
That is why indexing works nicely for me. Due to the previous efficiency of TSM relative to lively funds/particular person shares, I am not tempted to promote out of it whether or not it is in bull or bear market territory. I had paper arms with particular person shares and usually offered too early, or too late. My hat’s off to those who made cash in ARKK even when many did not. Eliminating the stress that buying and selling introduced me is one other bonus.
To be honest. I’m nonetheless up fairly a bit. Actually, with all of the hate pouring in currently I’m tempted to purchase a bit extra . I informed myself I wouldn’t although. So I’m going to keep up self-discipline and maintain for now.
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Re: ARK investment
Understanding for certain that they are proper but nonetheless feeling the pull from these speculative ventures is a very attention-grabbing phenomenon which I’ve felt myself
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by anon_investor »
diabelli wrote: ↑Solar Mar 07, 2021 7:15 am
I do not actually see hate on these boards. In truth these boards give me an more and more uncommon sense of appreciation for the goodness of individuals. There’s a profound alternative right here at no cost / invaluable recommendation from individuals who hardly ever if ever appear even in the slightest degree aggravated at providing it to much less skilled and overconfident posters who’re making an attempt to argue with them.Understanding for certain that they are proper but nonetheless feeling the pull from these speculative ventures is a very attention-grabbing phenomenon which I’ve felt myself
I do not see the hate both. I see folks making an attempt to warn others based mostly on their previous experiences being burned.
Re: ARK investment
anon_investor wrote: ↑Solar Mar 07, 2021 7:27 amdiabelli wrote: ↑Solar Mar 07, 2021 7:15 am
I do not actually see hate on these boards. In truth these boards give me an more and more uncommon sense of appreciation for the goodness of individuals. There’s a profound alternative right here at no cost / invaluable recommendation from individuals who hardly ever if ever appear even in the slightest degree aggravated at providing it to much less skilled and overconfident posters who’re making an attempt to argue with them.Understanding for certain that they are proper but nonetheless feeling the pull from these speculative ventures is a very attention-grabbing phenomenon which I’ve felt myself
I do not see the hate both. I see folks making an attempt to warn others based mostly on their previous experiences being burned.
I don’t see hate both. Solely sharing of opinions and expertise. Most bogleheads and the important thing phrase is most have the “good luck with no matter you resolve” mentality.
What’s disheartening, the errors I made earlier than changing into a bogleheads permeate immediately because of no extra compounding of that cash. For instance, $100k misplaced in 2011 as an alternative of invested in a 80/20 life technique fund would have value the investor about $250k. I’ve had some critical losses in some darlings that didn’t on out from the late 90s now costing me nicely over 1 / 4 of 1,000,000 {dollars} immediately. How a lot will these losses value me within the subsequent 15-20 years?
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by TomatoTomahto »
EnjoyIt wrote: ↑Solar Mar 07, 2021 9:01 am
What’s disheartening, the errors I made earlier than changing into a bogleheads permeate immediately because of no extra compounding of that cash. For instance, $100k misplaced in 2011 as an alternative of invested in a 80/20 life technique fund would have value the investor about $250k. I’ve had some critical losses in some darlings that didn’t on out from the late 90s now costing me nicely over 1 / 4 of 1,000,000 {dollars} immediately. How a lot will these losses value me within the subsequent 15-20 years?
I believe BHs overdo the compounding recreation, as in calculatong that your Starbucks espresso expenditure compounded over 30 years would be the distinction between retiring or spending your previous age penniless. Generally a cup of espresso is only a cup of espresso.
I misplaced $10k years in the past from a silly personal placement. My spouse remembers that greater than the numerous multiples we’ve made since. Cashing out RSUs instantly has saved us cash usually, and price us a few instances. Guess which one we keep in mind. If I had put the value of my Mannequin X into TSLA somewhat than the automotive, it might be a 7 digit quantity. Human nature is humorous.
I get the FI half however not the RE a part of FIRE.
Re: ARK investment
TomatoTomahto wrote: ↑Solar Mar 07, 2021 9:18 amEnjoyIt wrote: ↑Solar Mar 07, 2021 9:01 am
What’s disheartening, the errors I made earlier than changing into a bogleheads permeate immediately because of no extra compounding of that cash. For instance, $100k misplaced in 2011 as an alternative of invested in a 80/20 life technique fund would have value the investor about $250k. I’ve had some critical losses in some darlings that didn’t on out from the late 90s now costing me nicely over 1 / 4 of 1,000,000 {dollars} immediately. How a lot will these losses value me within the subsequent 15-20 years?I believe BHs overdo the compounding recreation, as in calculatong that your Starbucks espresso expenditure compounded over 30 years would be the distinction between retiring or spending your previous age penniless. Generally a cup of espresso is only a cup of espresso.
I misplaced $10k years in the past from a silly personal placement. My spouse remembers that greater than the numerous multiples we’ve made since. Cashing out RSUs instantly has saved us cash usually, and price us a few instances. Guess which one we keep in mind. If I had put the value of my Mannequin X into TSLA somewhat than the automotive, it might be a 7 digit quantity. Human nature is humorous.
I believe your overcomplicating issues with too many gadgets. I’m simply speaking concerning the investing errors I’ve made by considering I’m smarter or higher. If I didn’t make investments cash in Nortel for instance and as an alternative invested in a complete inventory market index fund, I’d be in a much better place immediately. Identical goes for Exxon. The cash misplaced was a mistake on my half as a result of I believed I can do higher than the market. Truly, I had no concept I may even make investments available in the market. That cash misplaced compounded to immediately is important.
Positive if I bought fortunate and Nortel turned out to be enormous, perhaps I’d be singing a unique tune, however the actuality is that market timing is tough. Guessing the subsequent massive win is tough. Perhaps some folks can do it, however realizing it’s unlikely to be me has allowed me to turn into financially unbiased far before if I adopted my previous market timing technique.
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by occambogle »
Re: ARK investment
occambogle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 1:03 pm
For individuals who observe ARK funds, the third celebration web site Cathie’s Ark – who monitor knowledge on all the pieces ARK associated – now lists the common value foundation/place of every holding of every ARK fund. Fairly attention-grabbing….
Certainly, an attention-grabbing view. Thanks for the heads-up.
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I’d be stunned (perhaps even impressed?) if the ARK advocates from pages 1-2 nonetheless have any holdings.
There might be one other excessive flying fund supervisor making information ultimately and folks will persuade themselves that this time, they really know what they’re doing. Add Cathie Wooden to the docket of earlier flameouts (Peter Lynch, Jerry Tsai, Ken Heebner, and so on.) to be included within the footnotes of historical past. She will not be the final.