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Re: EV / Hybrid basics?
Badinvestor wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:16 amYeahBuddy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 5:37 am
You set simply 46,000 miles in your automotive in 9 years. Do you really want a automobile? If sure, then along with your present driving habits I might say you possible have a decade or extra of driving to go earlier than you must seek for a brand new automobile.A decade or extra from now, the seek for a brand new automobile must be for an electrical. New gasoline automobiles will not be offered (and since residence and rental dwellers cannot cost electrics at dwelling, used gasoline automobile costs might very effectively explode).**
I feel the autumn in costs of ICE automobiles shall be about extra and cheaper EVs being accessible, and extra charging amenities. Individuals will realise that for a lot of use instances, the EV does it. That may are inclined to push down used ICE costs.
** Most residence buildings and condos in America most likely have residents’ parking? I imply outdoors of New York Metropolis and possibly a number of different downtown metropolitan areas? It is simple to suit Degree 1 charging to many of those bays. The truth is in Alberta, parking areas have a tendency to come back with a plug on your engine block heater (or they did within the Eighties, in any case). What you can find is that to draw tenants, buildings will set up chargers. Perhaps not Degree 2, however actually Degree 1.
If I look outdoors my window, in a typical London avenue of Victorian terrace (row) houses, with no residential parking on the proprietor’s property, then I see no less than 2 totally different sorts of chargers. One is streetlamp plug in chargers. One other is chargers really within the pavement (sidewalk) the place the automotive proprietor brings the attachment becoming (a brief pole). If you would like a quick cost right here, it is actually costly (round USD 1.00 per kwhr). However in case you are OK with a gradual cost, there are time of low use tariffs which are fairly economical.
Re: EV / Hybrid basics?
Valuethinker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:01 pmBadinvestor wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:16 amYeahBuddy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 5:37 am
You set simply 46,000 miles in your automotive in 9 years. Do you really want a automobile? If sure, then along with your present driving habits I might say you possible have a decade or extra of driving to go earlier than you must seek for a brand new automobile.A decade or extra from now, the seek for a brand new automobile must be for an electrical. New gasoline automobiles will not be offered (and since residence and rental dwellers cannot cost electrics at dwelling, used gasoline automobile costs might very effectively explode).**
I feel the autumn in costs of ICE automobiles shall be about extra and cheaper EVs being accessible, and extra charging amenities. Individuals will realise that for a lot of use instances, the EV does it. That may are inclined to push down used ICE costs.
** Most residence buildings and condos in America most likely have residents’ parking? I imply outdoors of New York Metropolis and possibly a number of different downtown metropolitan areas? It is simple to suit Degree 1 charging to many of those bays. The truth is in Alberta, parking areas have a tendency to come back with a plug on your engine block heater (or they did within the Eighties, in any case). What you can find is that to draw tenants, buildings will set up chargers. Perhaps not Degree 2, however actually Degree 1.
If I look outdoors my window, in a typical London avenue of Victorian terrace (row) houses, with no residential parking on the proprietor’s property, then I see no less than 2 totally different sorts of chargers. One is streetlamp plug in chargers. One other is chargers really within the pavement (sidewalk) the place the automotive proprietor brings the attachment becoming (a brief pole). If you would like a quick cost right here, it is actually costly (round USD 1.00 per kwhr). However in case you are OK with a gradual cost, there are time of low use tariffs which are fairly economical.
Los Angeles is actively including numerous streetlight EV charging capability. EVs are widespread sufficient there already amongst folks with out dwelling charging that it has created numerous congestion at DC quick chargers.
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Thanks for all of the responses from everybody. I used to be at a music competition from Friday to Sunday and till tonight was fully tied up with it together with the about 5,000 footage I took throughout it. I now have time to reply the questions that had been requested of me.
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Re: EV / Hybrid basics?
TomatoTomahto wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:41 pmThe common effectivity, based on EnergySage, is round 0.35 kWh per mile, totaling roughly 394 kWh per 30 days for the common driver.
That stated, loads will depend on which automotive, in what climate, and the way it’s pushed. This could most likely provide you with a tough thought although.
So far as photo voltaic goes, we’ve numerous energy and have discovered ourselves changing home equipment and automobiles with electrical variations. We not have an oil burner, for instance. Our propane range has been changed with induction. And so forth.
One problem that was lately raised to me was automotive warmth.
I used to say that the 2 foremost issues that mattered to me in a automotive was its sound system and its heating system. I wished to really feel sufficient warmth coming from it that I might really feel like I used to be in Hell. As quickly as I’m sitting anyplace I flip right into a block of ice. Consequently yesterday morning in Western Massachusetts I used to be operating the heater in my automotive at each 10 AM and 6:30 PM.
That will imply I will be draining that battery whereas heating the automotive once I’m in it?
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Re: EV / Hybrid basics?
beardsicles wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 2:08 pm
At a primary stage, you’ll be able to ballpark 4 miles per kwh. So a thousand miles can be 250 kwh. Count on a decrease charge throughout the winter, relying the place you reside.And do not anticipate to purchase a Toyota or Honda EV anytime soon–they’re a decade behind. Until Toyota’s stable state battery tech works, by which case they are a decade forward. However I would not maintain my breath.
By your method my preliminary guess of 1,000 kWh for 4,000 miles would match. Nevertheless, you’re saying that within the winter I might get much less miles per kWh?
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Re: EV / Hybrid basics?
yankees60 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:18 pmbeardsicles wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 2:08 pm
At a primary stage, you’ll be able to ballpark 4 miles per kwh. So a thousand miles can be 250 kwh. Count on a decrease charge throughout the winter, relying the place you reside.And do not anticipate to purchase a Toyota or Honda EV anytime soon–they’re a decade behind. Until Toyota’s stable state battery tech works, by which case they are a decade forward. However I would not maintain my breath.
By your method my preliminary guess of 1,000 kWh for 4,000 miles would match. Nevertheless, you’re saying that within the winter I might get much less miles per kWh?
Within the winter, does your gasoline automobile get much less miles per gallon? If you happen to reply “no”, do not buy an EV.
Within the winter, relying on temperature and the drive, you’ll be able to lose 20 to 40% capability.
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crefwatch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 2:37 pm
I urge you to look this newsboard for related questions. The selections are rather more advanced than you’ve even imagined! It’s essential learn no less than 50 replies.I cost my Chevy Bolt EV (259 mile design capability – must be specified when answering your query) on 24 Amps at 240 volts (utility energy). Since I am all the time dwelling (retired) by 6PM, the automotive is all the time totally charged by the point I’ve had breakfast at 8AM. However it’s not essential to have the automotive full in case you do not anticipate to go close to zero that day. Most Individuals solely drive regionally, regardless of terror over EVs operating out of juice.
Do not say Quick and Sluggish, Say “Degree 1” (family plug, EVSE comes with the automotive), “Degree 2” (240V, 24 to 40 Amps on a 50 Amp NEMA 14-50 plug), and “DCFC”, which is a higher-cost freeway service product that may get you from 20% to 80% in 45 minutes, Teslas typically cost quicker than that.
At DCFC, it is very important perceive that …er … cheaper batteries, like mine, cost extra slowly the fuller (and warmer) they get. So 80% to 100% might take one other 45 minutes, with offended folks ready in line for the ($0.39/KWH pay-) charger!
Edit: You may additionally want to individually think about the concepts of Plug-In Hybrids and mainstream Hybrids which are already in broad use.
Thanks for all of that.
With reference to: “I urge you to look this newsboard for related questions. The selections are rather more advanced than you’ve even imagined! It’s essential learn no less than 50 replies.”
That will be my regular habits however this resolution is only a smaller a part of the bigger photo voltaic set up choices which in itself consumes numerous time. Additionally, making an attempt to impose a deadline upon myself in order that I can presumably get the set up performed in 2024 and get the tax credit score for 2024.
Due to this fact the principle problem right here is simply estimating what number of kWh’s a automobile would eat. Really shopping for one is just not a in the present day resolution. Hopefully, that’s pretty far-off.
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Re: EV / Hybrid basics?
nisiprius wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:21 pm
Our across-the-street neighbors lately purchased a plug-in hybrid, and a charger, I feel it is a stage 2, that may recharge their automotive totally in a single day, nevertheless it does take hours. “How a lot does it value” is sophisticated as a result of they’ve a cope with the electrical firm and timers and so forth on the automotive in order that largely it prices between (IIRC) midnight and 4 am or one thing like that.They’re clearly into it, and their opinions, which sound so affordable that I consider them, is that if the charging is completed throughout the low-rate time interval, the fee per mile for electrical driving is decrease than gasoline, however not dramatically.
A close-by park, lower than half a mile away, has a high-speed pay-with-credit-card Chargepoint charger. He says they generally use it once they want a quick charge–and that the fee when utilizing that charger is greater than gasoline, however not dramatically greater.
They care about value as a result of most of their driving is performed inside the electrical vary of the automobile, i.e. in a single day filling will normally cost it totally throughout cheap-rate hours–and that a lot cost is normally sufficient to get them via the subsequent day’s driving.
Electrical energy is dear round right here; ballpark $0.30/kwh (at “regular” charges).
Since 2005, we have had two hybrid automobiles. Simply-plain hybrids, not plug-in, not EV. They’re simply precisely like regular automobiles apart from giving us a mean of 45-50 mpg with no particular driving strategies.
I stay in Western Massachusetts with Eversource as a provider. Their charges are the identical it doesn’t matter what time of day you utilize electrical energy or how a lot you utilize, i.e., no tier pricing.
I feel my present value is about 34 cents per kWh.
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Re: EV / Hybrid basics?
kdmusic wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:33 pm
You probably have a 220 outlet in your storage, you’ll be able to simply get a cable that can plug in to that outlet on your automotive. You’ll then have a Degree 2 charger.Now we have 2 electrical automobiles, and a completely electrical home, and 24 photo voltaic panels. Annual electrical energy invoice is about 200 {dollars}.
Insurance coverage on some electrical automobiles might be fairly excessive. Our Tesla Mannequin 3 is taken into account a luxurious automobile by AAA, and is dear to insure. I do not care. I _love_ the automotive. (reminder to myself and others to keep away from politics across the well-known Tesla-associated billionaire).
I shouldn’t have a 220 outlet in my storage. Nevertheless, my electrical range has been unplugged for years. It is 220 has been sitting unused on the ground. Subsequent to a wall shared with the storage. Looks as if a small gap may very well be made in that wall to run a cable from the automotive to that outlet within the kitchen? Additionally, my electrical panel additionally shares a wall with the storage so most likely not an enormous expense to run a cable from it into the storage.
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Re: EV / Hybrid basics?
Tyler Aspect wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:40 pm
I do stage 2 charging of my Tesla automobile. My electrical automobile charging per day might run between 5kWh to 10kWh. I consider a stage 2 charging set up might run between $1k to 2k of value.The electrical energy utilities are beginning to deploy massive scale photo voltaic and battery storage models on their very own.
My EV charging installer informed me the obligation cycle of a 240 volt receptacle for prime present use-cases are solely 6 plug-ins and removals. After that the possibility {of electrical} arcing will increase. They advocate a devoted everlasting connection, as a substitute of a 240 volt receptacle.
That represents an essential piece of data.
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Re: EV / Hybrid basics?
random_walker_77 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:44 pmyankees60 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:22 pm
So not rather more than 4,000 miles a 12 months being pushed. That is likely to be probably the most I might drive in a 12 months.That automotive is in glorious form and I might solely cease utilizing it as soon as it doesn’t appear economical to proceed to do repairs to it.
However when that point come I am open to purchasing both an EV or a hybrid, neither of which I do know something about.
The final 4 automobiles I’ve owned have all been Honda Accords. Due to this fact, I might search for one other Honda Accord or a Toyota Camry. I consider each have EV variations? I might be keen to purchase new.
Clearly, you do not drive a lot. Does the mileage are available in spurts of lengthy journeys, or are they largely brief journeys? How brief are the brief journeys? How lengthy are the longest journeys?
What number of years do you anticipate to maintain the alternative automobile?
Is it very chilly/scorching/hilly the place you reside?I feel you must stick along with your accord and drive it into the bottom. The tech (and regulatory atmosphere) is altering, so issues might effectively look totally different by the point you are due for a alternative automobile. You drive so little that there is little power getting used, and so there’s little or no monetary impression from a extra environment friendly possibility.
Very brief journeys aren’t extra environment friendly in a hybrid due to the additional gasoline burned to heat up the engine, which might imply {that a} common non-hybrid engine is principally simply nearly as good as a hybrid (the sort that does not plug in). The camry now solely sells as a hybrid (and never a plug in hybrid so far as I do know). The Accord does have a plug in hybrid with 47 mi of vary. For you, that’d successfully be an electrical automotive for all of the brief journeys.
I’ve an older Leaf that has an 80mi vary for all of my native journeys. They’re now effectively below $10K, and are super-efficient for brief journeys, however I would not advocate it if that is going to be your solely automotive.
In case your journeys actually are all very brief, you then’d be high-quality with an ordinary wall plug charger, so long as your storage is just not super-cold. It is because when it is actually chilly, a number of the power goes right into a battery hotter in order that it is at a temp that fits charging. A 1kW cost is already gradual, however in case you divert 80% to a battery heater, you then’ve received a 0.2kW charging charge, and many of the power is simply being “wasted” as warmth.
I stay in rural Western Massachusetts. To get virtually anyplace is a couple of 15 mile spherical journey. The subsequent stage of journey I might usually make can be a 40 mile spherical journey.
I might hold the alternative automobile till it was not economical to restore / change it. I received my first Honda Accord in 1991. I am on my fourth one, which remains to be going. So solely 4 automobiles during the last 34 years.
Not that hilly. Sizzling? We didn’t get any 100 diploma days this 12 months? We are able to get zero days.
I all the time drive all my Honda Accords into the bottom. The primary one I had was a 1984 and in 2005 I drove to the junkyard at 248,000 miles. The engine was nonetheless high-quality, burning no oil. The problem was that it being a Northeast automotive the gathered rust left it falling aside all over the place.
This present Honda Accord is beginning to present spots of rust however nothing in comparison with what I had within the 1984 and 1986.
My storage faces north and isn’t heated. Due to this fact it is temperature is near the surface temperature solely being protected by its wall and a brand new storage door.
I’d NOT warmth my storage to enhance how effectively the automobile would cost.
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Re: EV / Hybrid basics?
Tyler Aspect wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:53 pm
It’s attainable to have electrical arcing occurring when charging {an electrical} automobile on a 120 volt line, particularly if {the electrical} socket is previous. It’s higher to have an expert set up adopted by a metropolis inspection, to ensure all the things is as much as code.
Looks as if sound recommendation to me.
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Most EVs have warmth pumps and heated seats. I don’t assume it is going to be as unhealthy as you assume.
I get the FI half however not the RE a part of FIRE.
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CloseEnough wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:06 pm
For the automotive, I’d think about a plug in hybrid, and particularly the Toyota RAV4 or Prius Prime. On each, you will get about 45 miles on pure electrical and so they cost in a single day on an ordinary family outlet. So, relying in your driving, whether it is largely native, you’ll be able to most likely drive largely with out utilizing the gasoline engine, and use gasoline for longer journeys. One thing to think about, anyway. I feel the PHEV might be for many individuals a pleasant bridge to pure EV.On the photo voltaic, I’ve had two on homes and want I might performed extra panels. I might shoot for 10-20%, most likely higher towards the upper finish of that vary, above what you anticipate to make use of.
Your first paragraph looks as if it might apply to me.
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Re: EV / Hybrid basics?
delamer wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:34 pm
If we use a Degree 1 charger (110 outlet), it prices at about 1% of the battery an hour for our EV.Our Degree 2 charger within the storage is way faster.
We cost throughout the day to benefit from our photo voltaic panels, however whether or not that makes a lot distinction cost-wise will depend on how your system interacts along with your native utility.
Our producer recommends not charging to greater than 90% of battery capability, except the additional mileage is crucial. All producers have related sorts of suggestions, so hold that in thoughts by way of vary estimates.
We shouldn’t have a Tesla nor are we’re California. The reliability of public chargers inside a 75-mile radius has been very hit-or-miss,
How do you handle the 90%? Do you need to continuously monitor it? Or, are you able to set it to cease charging at 90%?
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Re: EV / Hybrid basics?
WhyNotUs wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:53 pm
The 4 miles per Kwh is an effective place to begin for an environment friendly automotive. About 1000 Kwh on your 4,000 miles in a 12 months.If these journeys are made up of lower than 25 miles a day, then a used plug in hybrid might make sense. One thing like a used plug in Prius or Volt or others can rise up to 25 miles on electrical. At 4k miles per 12 months, you possible have one other 8-10 years in your Accord so there could also be different decisions by then. Used EVs are depreciating and consumers are extra enthusiastic about new ones and leases so used typically promote at enticing costs.
At 4,000 miles per 12 months, it will be straightforward to only purchase a Prius with 100k miles and be performed with it although. That eliminates the plug in issues.
A full ev looks as if a bit a lot on your use case. I like them for individuals who drive many miles per 12 months as time is among the enemies of a battery pack.
The bigger evs which are SUV type won’t get 4 miles per Kwh however that appears irrelevant to your state of affairs.yankees60 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:22 pm
I purchased my present 2004 Honda Accord in December 2013 when it had 123,000 miles. Almost 11 years later the odometer is barely at 169,000. Solely 46,000 over these practically 11 years. So not rather more than 4,000 miles a 12 months being pushed. That is likely to be probably the most I might drive in a 12 months.
Additionally, is there any method for what number of kWh are consumed for therefore many 1,000’s of miles pushed yearly?Thanks!
The 8 to 10 extra years for my present Honda appears extremely optimistic on condition that it’s now 20 years previous plus it had lived all its life within the Northeast and the rust points will ultimately finish its life. Rust is the most cancers of automobiles.
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Re: EV / Hybrid basics?
yankees60 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:48 pmdelamer wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:34 pm
If we use a Degree 1 charger (110 outlet), it prices at about 1% of the battery an hour for our EV.Our Degree 2 charger within the storage is way faster.
We cost throughout the day to benefit from our photo voltaic panels, however whether or not that makes a lot distinction cost-wise will depend on how your system interacts along with your native utility.
Our producer recommends not charging to greater than 90% of battery capability, except the additional mileage is crucial. All producers have related sorts of suggestions, so hold that in thoughts by way of vary estimates.
We shouldn’t have a Tesla nor are we’re California. The reliability of public chargers inside a 75-mile radius has been very hit-or-miss,
How do you handle the 90%? Do you need to continuously monitor it? Or, are you able to set it to cease charging at 90%?
In a Tesla you’ll be able to set the automotive to cease charging anyplace from 50-100%. I assume different EVs have the same functionality.
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I’m not that sort of individual. I nonetheless view a automotive as one thing to get me from level A to level B, although I have been considerably spoiled by Honda Accords being my final 4 automobiles.
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Valuethinker wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:07 amI’m very professional EVs, and stay in a rustic the place, no less than in precept, 100% of latest automotive gross sales shall be EVs by 2035.
Nonetheless I agree with this recommendation. OP ought to think about:
– carbon emissions from driving are very small. This, for a 2013 Honda Accord with V6 tells me it will generate about 1.06 tonnes CO2 pa
https://calculator.carbonfootprint.com/ … aspx?tab=4– the price of creation of a brand new automobile is just not trivial.* Due to the Honda’s low mileage, it is going to keep additionally nonetheless be pushed (by another person) — you need to scrap it to really cut back whole emissions
So in conclusion there is no such thing as a internet discount in emissions and, in actual fact, a rise.
* a fast googling didn’t give me a reference however I’ve a psychological variety of round 6 tonnes
As I’ve talked about … it’s now a 20 12 months previous automotive that lived its total life within the Northeast, which signifies that the rust goes to kill it sooner or later.
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