Non-investing private finance points together with insurance coverage, credit score, actual property, taxes, employment and authorized points comparable to trusts and wills.
-
Subject Writer
- Posts: 5
- Joined: Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:41 am
Add Spouse to Solo 401k
Post
by GloryMushroom »
I hope to get some recommendation on the next state of affairs:
I’ve a single-member disregarded LLC. My partner actively participates on this enterprise and is compensated as an impartial contractor by the LLC. We file two Schedules C. Neither of us has some other employment, and we do not stay in a group property state.
I’ve a Solo 401(okay) beneath the LLC, and my partner has an IRA account solely.
1) Can my partner open their very own separate Solo 401(okay) as a sole proprietor, or should they be added to the prevailing Solo 401(okay)? Does Kind 5500-EZ reporting apply per household or per particular person?
2) Can I ship contributions to my partner’s Solo 401(okay) straight from the enterprise checking account?
Thanks upfront.
- Posts: 7534
- Joined: Wed Could 18, 2022 12:42 pm
Re: Add Spouse to Solo 401k
Post
by toddthebod »
GloryMushroom wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:01 am
Good day,I hope to get some recommendation on the next state of affairs:
I’ve a single-member disregarded LLC. My partner actively participates on this enterprise and is compensated as an impartial contractor by the LLC. We file two Schedules C. Neither of us has some other employment, and we do not stay in a group property state.
I’ve a Solo 401(okay) beneath the LLC, and my partner has an IRA account solely.
1) Can my partner open their very own separate Solo 401(okay) as a sole proprietor, or should they be added to the prevailing Solo 401(okay)? Does Kind 5500-EZ reporting apply per household or per particular person?
2) Can I ship contributions to my partner’s Solo 401(okay) straight from the enterprise checking account?
Thanks upfront.
Similar plan, totally different account, single 5500-EZ for the entire plan, would not matter the place the cash comes from. (As a disregarded LLC, I do not suppose tax-law-wise a “enterprise account” has any that means.)
-
Subject Writer
- Posts: 5
- Joined: Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:41 am
Re: Add Spouse to Solo 401k
Post
by GloryMushroom »
toddthebod wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 7:50 amGloryMushroom wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:01 am
Good day,I hope to get some recommendation on the next state of affairs:
I’ve a single-member disregarded LLC. My partner actively participates on this enterprise and is compensated as an impartial contractor by the LLC. We file two Schedules C. Neither of us has some other employment, and we do not stay in a group property state.
I’ve a Solo 401(okay) beneath the LLC, and my partner has an IRA account solely.
1) Can my partner open their very own separate Solo 401(okay) as a sole proprietor, or should they be added to the prevailing Solo 401(okay)? Does Kind 5500-EZ reporting apply per household or per particular person?
2) Can I ship contributions to my partner’s Solo 401(okay) straight from the enterprise checking account?
Thanks upfront.
Similar plan, totally different account, single 5500-EZ for the entire plan, would not matter the place the cash comes from. (As a disregarded LLC, I do not suppose tax-law-wise a “enterprise account” has any that means.)
Thanks for the data. I believed that 401k contributions are divided into employER and employEE contributions, and employEE contributions (not less than) ought to come from a private account in any case. Is it incorrect?
Re: Add Spouse to Solo 401k
In that case every partner would sponsor their very own 401k, and every plan would have it is personal 5500 submitting requirement.
If the partner was a W2 worker of the LLC reasonably than a 1099 then they could be included within the LLC’s plan.
- Posts: 7534
- Joined: Wed Could 18, 2022 12:42 pm
Re: Add Spouse to Solo 401k
Post
by toddthebod »
GloryMushroom wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:39 amtoddthebod wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 7:50 amGloryMushroom wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:01 am
Good day,I hope to get some recommendation on the next state of affairs:
I’ve a single-member disregarded LLC. My partner actively participates on this enterprise and is compensated as an impartial contractor by the LLC. We file two Schedules C. Neither of us has some other employment, and we do not stay in a group property state.
I’ve a Solo 401(okay) beneath the LLC, and my partner has an IRA account solely.
1) Can my partner open their very own separate Solo 401(okay) as a sole proprietor, or should they be added to the prevailing Solo 401(okay)? Does Kind 5500-EZ reporting apply per household or per particular person?
2) Can I ship contributions to my partner’s Solo 401(okay) straight from the enterprise checking account?
Thanks upfront.
Similar plan, totally different account, single 5500-EZ for the entire plan, would not matter the place the cash comes from. (As a disregarded LLC, I do not suppose tax-law-wise a “enterprise account” has any that means.)
Thanks for the data. I believed that 401k contributions are divided into employER and employEE contributions, and employEE contributions (not less than) ought to come from a private account in any case. Is it incorrect?
At my W2 job, my worker contributions (technically deferrals) come out of the enterprise account, proper?
- Posts: 7534
- Joined: Wed Could 18, 2022 12:42 pm
Re: Add Spouse to Solo 401k
Post
by toddthebod »
MP123 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:42 am
If I perceive the details right here appropriately every partner operates their very own Sch C enterprise, they do not share the enterprise as with a QJV (as a result of that is an LLC in a non-community property state). There are 1099 funds from one enterprise to the opposite, however there is no such thing as a worker relationship, and every partner’s self-employment earnings are restricted to these generated from their very own enterprise.In that case every partner would sponsor their very own 401k, and every plan would have it is personal 5500 submitting requirement.
If the partner was a W2 worker of the LLC reasonably than a 1099 then they could be included within the LLC’s plan.
I believe I disagree. I consider these two companies are an affiliated service group. There may be nonetheless spousal attribution of possession (simply not by way of youngsters or group property), and the partner’s enterprise presumably commonly performs companies for the primary enterprise.
- Posts: 142
- Joined: Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:48 am
Re: Add Spouse to Solo 401k
Post
by StealthWealth »
Is there a purpose to pay them by way of 1099? It’s my understanding that you possibly can simply successfully allocate possession appropriately after which use their share of complete earnings to fund employER and employEE contributions. Relying the place you’ve gotten the solo 401k they often favor checks from enterprise vs private for the varied contributions however I’ve by no means heard of them returning a test uncashed for what it’s value…
Re: Add Spouse to Solo 401k
toddthebod wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:25 amMP123 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:42 am
If I perceive the details right here appropriately every partner operates their very own Sch C enterprise, they do not share the enterprise as with a QJV (as a result of that is an LLC in a non-community property state). There are 1099 funds from one enterprise to the opposite, however there is no such thing as a worker relationship, and every partner’s self-employment earnings are restricted to these generated from their very own enterprise.In that case every partner would sponsor their very own 401k, and every plan would have it is personal 5500 submitting requirement.
If the partner was a W2 worker of the LLC reasonably than a 1099 then they could be included within the LLC’s plan.
I believe I disagree. I consider these two companies are an affiliated service group. There may be nonetheless spousal attribution of possession (simply not by way of youngsters or group property), and the partner’s enterprise presumably commonly performs companies for the primary enterprise.
It’d matter what the partner’s enterprise is and the way a lot is attributable to the OPs. If the partner does bookkeeping for 50 shoppers, OP doesn’t actively take part in partner’s enterprise and 1 of partner’s shoppers is the OP and that is the extent of partner’s “energetic participation” in OPs enterprise, there could also be no spousal attribution of possession and the partner in all probability has a separate enterprise and may have a separate 401k. If the partner does bookkeeping just for OPs enterprise and has no different shoppers, then it could not appear that partner has a separate enterprise (and certainly, may need to be paid by W-2 in some states).
- Posts: 5334
- Joined: Solar Jan 17, 2010 12:55 pm
Re: Add Spouse to Solo 401k
Post
by neurosphere »
toddthebod wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:25 amMP123 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:42 am
If I perceive the details right here appropriately every partner operates their very own Sch C enterprise, they do not share the enterprise as with a QJV (as a result of that is an LLC in a non-community property state). There are 1099 funds from one enterprise to the opposite, however there is no such thing as a worker relationship, and every partner’s self-employment earnings are restricted to these generated from their very own enterprise.In that case every partner would sponsor their very own 401k, and every plan would have it is personal 5500 submitting requirement.
If the partner was a W2 worker of the LLC reasonably than a 1099 then they could be included within the LLC’s plan.
I believe I disagree. I consider these two companies are an affiliated service group. There may be nonetheless spousal attribution of possession (simply not by way of youngsters or group property), and the partner’s enterprise presumably commonly performs companies for the primary enterprise.
If these are affiliated corporations, then all which may be wanted is for the plan must be restated to incorporate the opposite enterprise as an affiliated employer? At Constancy it is as simple as including one line (the affiliated employer’s identify) to the beforehand filed adoption settlement.
However how would revenue sharing contributions work? I’ve at all times assumed that revenue sharing contributions needed to be the identical proportion for all contributors. On this case, would they mixture web earnings from the 2 companies to give you the contribution quantity?
However, see web page 7-13 of this doc: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/epchd704.pdf It implies that spouses that do not take part within the different’s enterprise wouldn’t have attribution? Excerpt:
Ada and Barton are married. Barton is a physician proudly owning 100% of his medical apply. Ada can also be a physician and owns 50% of a separate medical apply (the opposite 50% is owned by an unrelated physician).Barton isn’t an worker or proprietor of a direct curiosity in Ada’s apply and fewer than 50% of the gross revenue in Ada’s apply is from passive investments.
Barton, nevertheless, is in control of important administration actions for his spouse’s apply.
Ada doesn’t straight personal an curiosity or take part in Barton’s apply and fewer than 50% of the gross revenue from Barton’s apply is from passive investments.
− Barton is attributed the 50% curiosity that Ada owns in her apply (resulting from his participation in Ada’s apply).
− Ada isn’t attributed any possession curiosity in Barton’s apply.
I do not know if it adjustments the state of affairs that within the OP’s case one partner is performing compensated non-employee companies for one more. [Edit to add: this is what SuzBanyan has also touched on…what is the nature of the services relative to the other business?]
If you need to ask “Is a Goal Date fund proper for me?”, the reply is “Sure” (even in taxable accounts).
Re: Add Spouse to Solo 401k
GloryMushroom wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:39 amtoddthebod wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 7:50 amGloryMushroom wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:01 am
Good day,I hope to get some recommendation on the next state of affairs:
I’ve a single-member disregarded LLC. My partner actively participates on this enterprise and is compensated as an impartial contractor by the LLC. We file two Schedules C. Neither of us has some other employment, and we do not stay in a group property state.
I’ve a Solo 401(okay) beneath the LLC, and my partner has an IRA account solely.
1) Can my partner open their very own separate Solo 401(okay) as a sole proprietor, or should they be added to the prevailing Solo 401(okay)? Does Kind 5500-EZ reporting apply per household or per particular person?
2) Can I ship contributions to my partner’s Solo 401(okay) straight from the enterprise checking account?
Thanks upfront.
Similar plan, totally different account, single 5500-EZ for the entire plan, would not matter the place the cash comes from. (As a disregarded LLC, I do not suppose tax-law-wise a “enterprise account” has any that means.)
Thanks for the data. I believed that 401k contributions are divided into employER and employEE contributions, and employEE contributions (not less than) ought to come from a private account in any case. Is it incorrect?
There isn’t a such factor as a ‘enterprise account’ vs. ‘private account’ (not less than so far as the federal government is worried) for a sole proprietor – the individual and the enterprise are one and the identical. So all of your contributions are coming out of your private accounts.
-
Subject Writer
- Posts: 5
- Joined: Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:41 am
Re: Add Spouse to Solo 401k
Post
by GloryMushroom »
StealthWealth wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:28 am
Is there a purpose to pay them by way of 1099? It’s my understanding that you possibly can simply successfully allocate possession appropriately after which use their share of complete earnings to fund employER and employEE contributions. Relying the place you’ve gotten the solo 401k they often favor checks from enterprise vs private for the varied contributions however I’ve by no means heard of them returning a test uncashed for what it’s value…
Impartial contractor standing appears simpler to us by way of paperwork. My 401k is at Etrade. They don’t distinguish between worker and employer contributions, however I at all times did the worker contributions from a private account. And within the case of a partner, I believed that all of it ought to come from their private account as an impartial contractor/sole proprietor, not from my LLC enterprise account? Perhaps it’s all simply formality although.
-
Subject Writer
- Posts: 5
- Joined: Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:41 am
Re: Add Spouse to Solo 401k
Post
by GloryMushroom »
SuzBanyan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 12:04 pmtoddthebod wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:25 amMP123 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:42 am
If I perceive the details right here appropriately every partner operates their very own Sch C enterprise, they do not share the enterprise as with a QJV (as a result of that is an LLC in a non-community property state). There are 1099 funds from one enterprise to the opposite, however there is no such thing as a worker relationship, and every partner’s self-employment earnings are restricted to these generated from their very own enterprise.In that case every partner would sponsor their very own 401k, and every plan would have it is personal 5500 submitting requirement.
If the partner was a W2 worker of the LLC reasonably than a 1099 then they could be included within the LLC’s plan.
I believe I disagree. I consider these two companies are an affiliated service group. There may be nonetheless spousal attribution of possession (simply not by way of youngsters or group property), and the partner’s enterprise presumably commonly performs companies for the primary enterprise.
It’d matter what the partner’s enterprise is and the way a lot is attributable to the OPs. If the partner does bookkeeping for 50 shoppers, OP doesn’t actively take part in partner’s enterprise and 1 of partner’s shoppers is the OP and that is the extent of partner’s “energetic participation” in OPs enterprise, there could also be no spousal attribution of possession and the partner in all probability has a separate enterprise and may have a separate 401k. If the partner does bookkeeping just for OPs enterprise and has no different shoppers, then it could not appear that partner has a separate enterprise (and certainly, may need to be paid by W-2 in some states).
The enterprise is IT companies and the partner manages tasks, performs technical work, manages the corporate as nicely. We’ve many purchasers and work collectively. Nevertheless, once I known as Etrade yesterday, they stated the the partner must open their very own 401 account by way of a generic paperwork template. Now, I’m confused.