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Re: 2025 Toyota Camry
Maverick3320 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 9:56 amAttorngineer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 9:22 am
It is price mentioning how intelligent the first-ever AWD setup to be provided on a Camry is.Intelligent? I believed a variety of vehicles already did that.
My understanding of the phrase intelligent is that it doesn’t connote originality or novelty, it simply means sensible or clever. However to your level, I did just a little little bit of browsing and discovered that Toyota/Lexus is the one automaker utilizing an electrical motor to drive the rear wheels in an awd hybrid setup. The one different awd hybrids that I may discover (Ford Escape, Honda CR-V, Hyunda Tucson Hybrid and Santa Fe Hybrid, and Kia Sorento and Sportage) all have mechanical rear drivetrains. Did you’ve gotten another fashions in thoughts that I missed?
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2025 mannequin would not carry a lot to the desk. No V6 choice, obnoxiously giant contact screens, superfluous AWD and many others. Until it is advisable haul greater than 2 folks I would get a GR86 for a day by day driver as an alternative at that value vary.
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Re: 2025 Toyota Camry
rogue_economist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:06 am
The Camry has all the time been an underwhelming automobile. An inherent compromise between the low price and effectivity of a Corolla and the extra substantive Avalon (till Toyota axed it).2025 mannequin would not carry a lot to the desk. No V6 choice, obnoxiously giant contact screens, superfluous AWD and many others. Until it is advisable haul greater than 2 folks I would get a GR86 for a day by day driver as an alternative at that value vary.
That is a extremely good joke you made there suggesting a GR86 as in comparison with a Camry
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JoeJohnson wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:17 amrogue_economist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:06 am
The Camry has all the time been an underwhelming automobile. An inherent compromise between the low price and effectivity of a Corolla and the extra substantive Avalon (till Toyota axed it).2025 mannequin would not carry a lot to the desk. No V6 choice, obnoxiously giant contact screens, superfluous AWD and many others. Until it is advisable haul greater than 2 folks I would get a GR86 for a day by day driver as an alternative at that value vary.
That is a extremely good joke you made there suggesting a GR86 as in comparison with a Camry
Its not a joke. If you’ll go spend that form of cash, no less than get a automobile that does not really feel like a soulless fridge and make you look unhappy.
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Re: 2025 Toyota Camry
tibbitts wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 8:11 pmjlawrence01 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 6:34 pmtc101 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2024 11:25 am
Is the 2025 Toyota Camry obtainable but? If that’s the case, have you ever pushed one? What are your ideas on the automobile? The 2025 was redesigned and a few folks say to not purchase a automobile the primary yr of a redesign as a result of there are bugs that present up and get mounted by the following yr.Rented one in Columbus, OH final week and drove about 800 miles. I barely received 39 mpg driving totally on interstate 1-71 between Cincinnati and Cleveland. I may have accomplished as effectively driving an ICE 2024 Toyota Corolla. Do understand that every one future Camry autos are hybrids.
I don’t like a variety of the security options. It feels at instances that you simply lose management over the car, particularly in passing on a busy interstate.
The expertise on the car could be very effectively examined and usually will get very excessive opinions.
I rented a brand new Sienna Hybrid earlier this yr and received about 35mpg freeway with it very absolutely loaded, so 39 with a Camry appears just a little disappointing.
We now have in combination obtained 43mpg since buy of a Camry SE Hybrid throughout all driving situations and the transmission set to Eco mode more often than not.
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Northern Flicker wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 1:30 pm
We now have in combination obtained 43mpg since buy of a Camry SE Hybrid throughout all driving situations and the transmission set to Eco mode more often than not.
That’s the 2025 or a earlier yr?
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keith6014 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2024 11:46 am
I drove it as a rental few weeks in the past.Good
Nice fuel mileage: ~44MPG. Drove about 800 miles. Avg freeway velocity ~80MPH. Max Pace 105MPH. Elevation (0 elevation to 9500Ft).
Clean trip.
Airplay integration was through bluetooth. No cable wantedUnhealthy
I did not know disable lane help. So everytime I needed to change the lane with out indicator the steering wheel vibrated. This was annoying
Rear air situation was weak
Trunk area was limitingI’d think about it as a second automobile if I had been out there.
That is why I would by no means purchase a used rental.
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Oh sure. I didn’t get an excellent deal by an extended shot. Approx 40k for an XLE (with trade-in) out the door. Zero regrets.
Then ’tis just like the breath of an unfee’d lawyer.
Re: 2025 Toyota Camry
JoeJohnson wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:47 am
A Camry Hybrid has over 200 HP, however positively not 300 HP
Whoops, sorry. Bought me there.
Out there in both front- or all-wheel-drive configurations, the brand new hybrid-only Camry produces as a lot as 232 horsepower.
Then ’tis just like the breath of an unfee’d lawyer.
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$40k plus you gave them your previous (probably not that previous) Camry? How a lot did they permit for the previous(er) Camry?
It appeared like even with the earlier technology the XLE trim was comparatively troublesome to seek out, simply going by the variety of vehicles listed on the same old web sites.
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Perhaps this modified for 2025, however in any other case, there may be not a variety of distinction in value between an SE and an XLE. Heated seats and steering wheel and a navigation system are customary on the XLE and choices on the SE.
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Northern Flicker wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:30 pm
Perhaps this modified for 2025, however in any other case, there may be not a variety of distinction between an SE and an XLE. Heated seats and steering wheel and a navigation system are customary on the XLE and choices on the SE.
I consider you need to evaluate the LE with the XLE and the SE with the XSE.
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sport wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:33 pmNorthern Flicker wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:30 pm
Perhaps this modified for 2025, however in any other case, there may be not a variety of distinction between an SE and an XLE. Heated seats and steering wheel and a navigation system are customary on the XLE and choices on the SE.I consider you need to evaluate the LE with the XLE and the SE with the XSE.
I do not concur with that. The XLE and SE fulfill very related buy budgets and thus are in direct competitors with one another for a sale. Edited the sooner publish to reference their related price.
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+1.
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tibbitts wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:21 pm$40k plus you gave them your previous (probably not that previous) Camry? How a lot did they permit for the previous(er) Camry?
It appeared like even with the earlier technology the XLE trim was comparatively troublesome to seek out, simply going by the variety of vehicles listed on the same old web sites.
Ah you know the way this sport is performed. Previous to getting into the dealership I had used the Toyota.com web site to present me a trade-in worth by getting into the info, roughly 10k. The seller lowballed that right down to round 5-6k, telling me that they do not know the place I presumably may have gotten that authentic determine, and many others. I received them as much as about 8k, however solely by agreeing to take out a mortgage which the phrases are you can’t repay for six months, which presumably price round 1k in curiosity. They knocked off an extra $500 on a whim (alleged manufacturing unit incentive). Basically the worth of my commerce in nullified my tax, title, charges. Sticker was round 40k if I recall appropriately.
I just about fell in love as quickly as I received in. Subwoofer, and excellent audio had been half of my bundle. Home windows tinted. Appears extra like a Lexus to me.
Backside line was that these vehicles promote themselves, whenever you object in your negotiations I do not assume they care an excessive amount of. The availability and demand chain favors the sellers (regardless of regardless of the media is making an attempt to inform us a couple of glut). For instance, if I had been to desire a Prius (2024 automobile of the yr), I’d have been on a ready record for a number of months. The 2025 Camrys had been sitting on the lot recent off the truck and going like hotcakes.
Then ’tis just like the breath of an unfee’d lawyer.
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Re: 2025 Toyota Camry
rogue_economist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:06 am
The Camry has all the time been an underwhelming automobile.
True of almost all Toyotas with a number of notable exceptions just like the Supra. Mazdas are in all probability one of the best Japanese “driver’s” vehicles, adopted by Honda. I keep away from lining up behind Toyotas at stoplights.
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Outer Marker wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:19 amrogue_economist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:06 am
The Camry has all the time been an underwhelming automobile.True of almost all Toyotas with a number of notable exceptions just like the Supra. Mazdas are in all probability one of the best Japanese “driver’s” vehicles, adopted by Honda. I keep away from lining up behind Toyotas at stoplights.
However most true of the Camry (no less than of the particular vehicles in fact).
The Corolla sedan, when geared up with the handbook transmission, is a poor mans sports activities sedan. No its not quick, no its not Porsche stage dealing with, however you may row your individual gears and carry some crap round and never really feel like you’re driving a soulless fridge.
The Avalon, on the opposite finish of the spectrum, was no less than an honest V6 powered mid dimension sedan for doing these lengthy freeway cruises. No it wasn’t a City Automobile or De Ville, however it may no less than aspire to be extra of a Buick from Japan. It has a job.
However the Camry? That is only a fence sitting spork of a automobile. Appears like a rip off Avalon or an overweight Corolla with a lacking third pedal.
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Particularly at 105mph 
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PharmerBrown wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2024 2:38 pmJordanIB wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2024 1:11 pmSo I wasn’t the one one who learn that with that response. I suppose there might be instances the place one “had” to take action with out signaling, however so typically that the automobile’s security options turn out to be annoying? Hmm…
It is exhausting to make use of your flip sign whenever you’re going 105 MPH.
You stated it first! 
Re: 2025 Toyota Camry
rogue_economist wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:45 amOuter Marker wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:19 amrogue_economist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:06 am
The Camry has all the time been an underwhelming automobile.True of almost all Toyotas with a number of notable exceptions just like the Supra. Mazdas are in all probability one of the best Japanese “driver’s” vehicles, adopted by Honda. I keep away from lining up behind Toyotas at stoplights.
However most true of the Camry (no less than of the particular vehicles in fact).
The Corolla sedan, when geared up with the handbook transmission, is a poor mans sports activities sedan. No its not quick, no its not Porsche stage dealing with, however you may row your individual gears and carry some crap round and never really feel like you’re driving a soulless fridge.
The Avalon, on the opposite finish of the spectrum, was no less than an honest V6 powered mid dimension sedan for doing these lengthy freeway cruises. No it wasn’t a City Automobile or De Ville, however it may no less than aspire to be extra of a Buick from Japan. It has a job.
However the Camry? That is only a fence sitting spork of a automobile. Appears like a rip off Avalon or an overweight Corolla with a lacking third pedal.
It will depend on what you need in a automobile. I’ve had 8 Camrys through the years and so they have all supplied snug dependable transportation. I had thrilling vehicles once I was younger, however then I grew up.
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sport wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:09 amrogue_economist wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:45 amOuter Marker wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:19 amrogue_economist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:06 am
The Camry has all the time been an underwhelming automobile.True of almost all Toyotas with a number of notable exceptions just like the Supra. Mazdas are in all probability one of the best Japanese “driver’s” vehicles, adopted by Honda. I keep away from lining up behind Toyotas at stoplights.
However most true of the Camry (no less than of the particular vehicles in fact).
The Corolla sedan, when geared up with the handbook transmission, is a poor mans sports activities sedan. No its not quick, no its not Porsche stage dealing with, however you may row your individual gears and carry some crap round and never really feel like you’re driving a soulless fridge.
The Avalon, on the opposite finish of the spectrum, was no less than an honest V6 powered mid dimension sedan for doing these lengthy freeway cruises. No it wasn’t a City Automobile or De Ville, however it may no less than aspire to be extra of a Buick from Japan. It has a job.
However the Camry? That is only a fence sitting spork of a automobile. Appears like a rip off Avalon or an overweight Corolla with a lacking third pedal.It will depend on what you need in a automobile. I’ve had 8 Camrys through the years and so they have all supplied snug dependable transportation. I had thrilling vehicles once I was younger, however then I grew up.
My essential Camry criticism is the continued refusal to (once more) present a wagon or no less than hatchback model. I personal two sedans however that is partly as a result of there are so few alternate options.
Re: 2025 Toyota Camry
tc101 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2024 11:25 am
Is the 2025 Toyota Camry obtainable but? If that’s the case, have you ever pushed one? What are your ideas on the automobile? The 2025 was redesigned and a few folks say to not purchase a automobile the primary yr of a redesign as a result of there are bugs that present up and get mounted by the following yr.
+100.
I purchased a Toyota Avalon in 2013, which was its first yr after a redesign. Got here with the unpleasantness of a wind wheeze above 65 mph, simple to be heard by youthful ears. By the following yr, Toyota found out it was due to the design of the aspect mirrors, and altered it. In fact, they by no means issued a recall for the primary yr model-owners.
Until it is a loopy deal, NEVER AGAIN.
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In case you are out there for a automobile and wish one thing dependable and economical – I would not hesitate to get one.
Redesign was minor I consider and has Camry ever suffered from main 1st yr redesign defects? I feel not.
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tibbitts wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:15 amsport wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:09 amrogue_economist wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:45 amOuter Marker wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:19 amrogue_economist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:06 am
The Camry has all the time been an underwhelming automobile.True of almost all Toyotas with a number of notable exceptions just like the Supra. Mazdas are in all probability one of the best Japanese “driver’s” vehicles, adopted by Honda. I keep away from lining up behind Toyotas at stoplights.
However most true of the Camry (no less than of the particular vehicles in fact).
The Corolla sedan, when geared up with the handbook transmission, is a poor mans sports activities sedan. No its not quick, no its not Porsche stage dealing with, however you may row your individual gears and carry some crap round and never really feel like you’re driving a soulless fridge.
The Avalon, on the opposite finish of the spectrum, was no less than an honest V6 powered mid dimension sedan for doing these lengthy freeway cruises. No it wasn’t a City Automobile or De Ville, however it may no less than aspire to be extra of a Buick from Japan. It has a job.
However the Camry? That is only a fence sitting spork of a automobile. Appears like a rip off Avalon or an overweight Corolla with a lacking third pedal.It will depend on what you need in a automobile. I’ve had 8 Camrys through the years and so they have all supplied snug dependable transportation. I had thrilling vehicles once I was younger, however then I grew up.
My essential Camry criticism is the continued refusal to (once more) present a wagon or no less than hatchback model. I personal two sedans however that is partly as a result of there are so few alternate options.
Maybe the upcoming Toyota Crown Signia would scratch the wagon itch for you. Undecided when it is going to arrive at dealerships, however hopefully this calendar yr.
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Re: 2025 Toyota Camry
SmileyFace wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:07 pm
In case you are out there for a automobile and wish one thing dependable and economical – I would not hesitate to get one.
Redesign was minor I consider and has Camry ever suffered from main 1st yr redesign defects? I feel not.
Me me me me me me! However in all probability in 2-5 years once I flip in my 2017 Camry (at the moment at 105K miles) however which may be with two or three kiddos so we’ll see (DW has a 2023 Sienna).
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I discover a increased finish Camry to be a troublesome promote when you may get a 2 yr previous Lexus ES for a similar or much less. Carvana has 2022 Lexus ES 350s with the massive V6 for mid 30s. Or in case you want hybrid they’ve ES 300h within the mid 30s as effectively.
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HooCares wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:00 pm
I discover a increased finish Camry to be a troublesome promote when you may get a 2 yr previous Lexus ES for a similar or much less. Carvana has 2022 Lexus ES 350s with the massive V6 for mid 30s. Or in case you want hybrid they’ve ES 300h within the mid 30s as effectively.
My member of the family received annoyed making an attempt to barter a 2025 Camry and ended up going with a 2025 Lexus ES 300h. There was way more wiggle room with the worth and it ended up being just a few $Ok extra which was completely definitely worth the distinction in his case.
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rogue_economist wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:45 amOuter Marker wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:19 amrogue_economist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:06 am
The Camry has all the time been an underwhelming automobile.True of almost all Toyotas with a number of notable exceptions just like the Supra. Mazdas are in all probability one of the best Japanese “driver’s” vehicles, adopted by Honda. I keep away from lining up behind Toyotas at stoplights.
However most true of the Camry (no less than of the particular vehicles in fact).
The Corolla sedan, when geared up with the handbook transmission, is a poor mans sports activities sedan.
An economic system automobile as a poor man’s sports activities sedan is a miserable thought. I bear in mind when the Chrysler LeBaron GTS was the poor man’s sports activities sedan. When and the place did the auto trade go mistaken?
The bottom LE Camry appears to me to be one of the best purchase of all of the trims. Who wants big wheels and an enormous heart display?
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David76 wrote: ↑Solar Sep 01, 2024 11:58 amrogue_economist wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:45 amOuter Marker wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:19 amrogue_economist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:06 am
The Camry has all the time been an underwhelming automobile.True of almost all Toyotas with a number of notable exceptions just like the Supra. Mazdas are in all probability one of the best Japanese “driver’s” vehicles, adopted by Honda. I keep away from lining up behind Toyotas at stoplights.
However most true of the Camry (no less than of the particular vehicles in fact).
The Corolla sedan, when geared up with the handbook transmission, is a poor mans sports activities sedan.An economic system automobile as a poor man’s sports activities sedan is a miserable thought. I bear in mind when the Chrysler LeBaron GTS was the poor man’s sports activities sedan. When and the place did the auto trade go mistaken?
The bottom LE Camry appears to me to be one of the best purchase of all of the trims. Who wants big wheels and an enormous heart display?
I suppose a Camery is ok in case you simply want “automobile” parked in driveway. It is a very generic and unispired automibile. However dependable. These are Toyota’s roots going again 50 years. By comparability, Honda and Mazda constructed racing vehicles. It exhibits. In case you really care about driving.
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2025 Camry will not be a Lexus however is a really good primary (boglehead) automobile. After a variety of looking out my son was capable of finding one configured precisely the best way he wished it. No person is discounting it so far as we may discover and it takes some effort to seek out the choices you need with no seller or port junk added in. He paid just a little over 33K excluding taxes and registration. LE AWD with connivence and chilly climate bundle. The AWD advertisements just a little bit extra HP with the extra electrical motor. OK wanting alloy wheels and so they had been 16 by which we considered as a bonus. It would not have the bigger display which comes within the higher trim fashions however a variety of tech is included in all of the fashions. He has Android and apple automobile play, respectable stereo, digital key which
works in your cellphone so you may distant begin, lock unlock from anyplace and verify all of the fundamentals and extra. In case you neglect to lock it your cellphone will hunt you down and scold you. To date getting 45mpg, about 70/30 native/freeway set to regular mode. I suppose setting it to eco mode will get nearer to marketed.
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One function I discover helpful is that beneath 18 mph it makes use of the electrical motor solely. Due to this fact, while you’re driving in stop-and-go visitors, you’re hardly burning fuel in any respect. Maybe this type of idea is customary for hybrids, however that is my first expertise. As acknowledged, in eco mode I get a stable common of fifty each metropolis and freeway. I’ve hit 60 earlier than, and 40 is often instances once I needed to “gun it” for some motive. Everytime you flip off the engine, it provides you a report on how you probably did for that drive. I reside in FL, and the A/C is blasting.
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rogue_economist wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:45 amOuter Marker wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:19 amrogue_economist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:06 am
The Camry has all the time been an underwhelming automobile.True of almost all Toyotas with a number of notable exceptions just like the Supra. Mazdas are in all probability one of the best Japanese “driver’s” vehicles, adopted by Honda. I keep away from lining up behind Toyotas at stoplights.
However most true of the Camry (no less than of the particular vehicles in fact).
The Corolla sedan, when geared up with the handbook transmission, is a poor mans sports activities sedan. No its not quick, no its not Porsche stage dealing with, however you may row your individual gears and carry some crap round and never really feel like you’re driving a soulless fridge.
The Avalon, on the opposite finish of the spectrum, was no less than an honest V6 powered mid dimension sedan for doing these lengthy freeway cruises. No it wasn’t a City Automobile or De Ville, however it may no less than aspire to be extra of a Buick from Japan. It has a job.
However the Camry? That is only a fence sitting spork of a automobile. Appears like a rip off Avalon or an overweight Corolla with a lacking third pedal.
I don’t assume anybody would ever name a Corolla a poor man’s “sports activities sedan”. First, I don’t even assume it’s obtainable within the US with a handbook transmission. (Until you’re referencing the GR, which is a completely totally different automobile) Second, if we’re speaking a couple of “sporty” driving character, every part in its class merely destroys it, particularly the Civic (which is obtainable with a MTM, btw) and the Mazda 3. Even Elantra and Forte deal with higher.
It also needs to be identified that the Camry was designed and engineered to be precisely what it’s, a cushty, dependable, economical folks hauler and that’s precisely what it does and does it effectively. It’s not meant to drive like a BMW.
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Re: 2025 Toyota Camry
meowcat wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2024 6:58 amrogue_economist wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:45 amOuter Marker wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:19 amrogue_economist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:06 am
The Camry has all the time been an underwhelming automobile.True of almost all Toyotas with a number of notable exceptions just like the Supra. Mazdas are in all probability one of the best Japanese “driver’s” vehicles, adopted by Honda. I keep away from lining up behind Toyotas at stoplights.
However most true of the Camry (no less than of the particular vehicles in fact).
The Corolla sedan, when geared up with the handbook transmission, is a poor mans sports activities sedan. No its not quick, no its not Porsche stage dealing with, however you may row your individual gears and carry some crap round and never really feel like you’re driving a soulless fridge.
The Avalon, on the opposite finish of the spectrum, was no less than an honest V6 powered mid dimension sedan for doing these lengthy freeway cruises. No it wasn’t a City Automobile or De Ville, however it may no less than aspire to be extra of a Buick from Japan. It has a job.
However the Camry? That is only a fence sitting spork of a automobile. Appears like a rip off Avalon or an overweight Corolla with a lacking third pedal.I don’t assume anybody would ever name a Corolla a poor man’s “sports activities sedan”. First, I don’t even assume it’s obtainable within the US with a handbook transmission. (Until you’re referencing the GR, which is a completely totally different automobile) Second, if we’re speaking a couple of “sporty” driving character, every part in its class merely destroys it, particularly the Civic (which is obtainable with a MTM, btw) and the Mazda 3. Even Elantra and Forte deal with higher.
It also needs to be identified that the Camry was designed and engineered to be precisely what it’s, a cushty, dependable, economical folks hauler and that’s precisely what it does and does it effectively. It’s not meant to drive like a BMW.
Till fairly lately it was obtainable with the handbook. I am not talking to something made after that.
Nor am I saying the Civic won’t be higher as a sports activities driver, however the level stays that both of them would destroy a Camry.
The Camry is just not snug, it’s a joke for consolation. It will probably haul folks between A and B reliably, so can each different automobile made by Toyota motor corp.
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